Emory Career Services and the Fat Middle

Posted in Uncategorized on July 16th, 2010 by bl1y

Quick recap for those of you just tuning in: our economy sucks largely because most people have jobs that don’t produce anything and are pretty much just busy work.  PhilaLawyer puts it more eloquently in The Giant Sucking Sound, and you can read about similar corporate waste in the legal industry in my earlier post, The Seamless Web Legal Economy.

Today, AbovetheLaw.com posted an e-mail sent by a rising 3L at Emory, complaining about the poor job career services was doing.  They also posted a response from the Emory Career Services Office.  You can read the full article here.  Below, I’m posting only the school’s reply, with emphasis added on every phrase that represents empty promises of improving the situation.  Those phrases are in bold.  Phrases showing where Emory has taken real, concrete steps to helping students are in red bold.

Thank you for your email. As I am sure you know, the extraordinary challenges facing the legal industry in the current recession have been difficult for all law schools. It is true that we have seen a decrease in participation in our on-campus interview and job fair programs, as have our peers. Despite these challenges, Emory Law remains committed to identifying new programming options and expanding our reach into new areas.

Over the past year and a half, we have instituted a number of new programs strategically designed in response to the changes in the legal market. We encourage all of our students to take advantage of our offerings focused on helping them strengthen their interviewing and networking skills and research and identify career options with small and mid-size firms, the public sector, and other employers and markets they might not have considered in different economic times. Obviously, we want every student to not only find a job, but also to find a fulfilling career. Given the current economic climate, that is more challenging each year.

The Office of Career Services has partnered closely with Emory Law’s Office of Alumni Relations to seek the assistance of our alumni as mentors and career advisors for our students. We have made significant changes to our mentor program and launched a new database of alumni advisors who stand ready to provide advice on all aspects of the legal profession to students and recent graduates. Also, we have launched a new program for 2010 graduates called Emory Law Connecting, which pairs recent graduates who are still seeking employment with alumni, faculty and others for one-on-one assistance.

We continue to collaborate with our Student Bar Association Career Services Committee, whose input has been invaluable, as we develop effective programs and events. Also, we continue to focus on the basics, such as one-on-one advising and assisting students in building strong application materials and job search skills. Regular communications from OCS include information about local bar events throughout the year and regional alumni events across the country during times when school is not in session.

We certainly appreciate the frustration among some of our students and those across the country. I can assure you the career services team spends countless hours focused on helping our students and alumni in every possible way and on providing advice, guidance and support during these difficult times.

Janet Hutchinson

Emory has seven people working as career services advisors, with one of them an assistant dean, and another a senior director.  If we assume an average salary for the non-managers of $50,000, $65,000 for the senior director, and $80,000 for the assistant dean, we get a total of $395,000.  There is also one administrative assistant, and let’s assume she works for $35,000, taking us up to $430,000, and I think I’m being pretty conservative here.

That’s just the salaries.  You also have any sort of retirement plan the school has and health insurance.  The office also takes up space and requires furniture, office equipment, software and office supplies (I bet they use a ton of paper; my own career services office sent me a 189 page book that was little more than a list of websites, which of course is least useful on paper, where I can’t just click on a link).  And then there’s the added costs they bring to other departments, such as human resources, pay roll, IT, and maintenance.

The true cost for this 7 man operation is likely about one million dollars.  Emory has about 700 students, so we’re talking roughly $1400 per student per year, or $4200 total per student.  And what do they get for this fee?  Advice such as “network” or “go on informational interviews.”  It’s basically an admission that they can’t help you.  The most they can do is suggest someone else who might be able to help you.

What about OCI?  Law firms in the South know about Emory.  They’ve heard of it before.  Without OCI, firms would just create their own career fairs or put together some other means of recruiting students.  I’m sure the SBA would be more than willing to help; career services is pretty much irrelevant and ought to be reduced to no more than 1 or 2 people.

As easy as it is to point out that career services offices do very little, I will admit that I think they’re also doing as much as they can.  The trouble is that it’s a flawed concept from the start.  They can help you edit your resume and maybe do a mock interview, but unless they’ve been on a law firm’s hiring committee, they don’t really know what it will take for you to land the job you want.  It’s just another variation of “Those who can’t, teach.”

They’ll talk about how law degrees open all sorts of doors because they’ve heard a handful of anecdotal evidence.  But, when they suggest working as a contracts specialist, do you think they’ve done the job before?  Do you think they have any idea what the day to day work is like?  Nope.  All they can do is name the job title and assure you that someone with a JD has done it before.

I recently talked to my own career services office, and told them one of the things I was interested in is journalism, but it’s an extremely hard field to get in to if you don’t have prior journalism experience.  She assured me I was qualified and there were lots of entry level positions in journalism.  I guess she hasn’t heard that print media has taken a beating lately.  Also, while there are entry level positions, they still require experience and a stack of clips (writing samples).  Journalism majors get all this through summer internships and working on the school paper.  A lawyer with an English degree could be qualified, but most places won’t look at you unless you have the specific credentials they’re looking for.  And why should they?  This is a buyer’s market?  Why settle for something that’s not quite what you want when there are hundreds of highly qualified perfect matches?

Enough of that tangent though, my point is that the people working in career services know extremely little about the industries they’re placing people in and what it takes to get a job there.  They don’t take your resume and peruse want ads looking for possible fits.  They simply don’t know what a job search entails.  They’ll tell you to network with alumni, but are extremely unhelpful at actually finding alumni for you to talk to.

NYU has an alumni directory, but for many people it does not list the company they are currently at, and when it does, it doesn’t say what role they are working in.  Unless it is a law firm, you have no idea what that person does.  Bill Doe, class of 1998, works at Google?  Is he in-house counsel?  A programmer?  Vice president of marketing?  Who knows.  Now, of course you could contact all these people and find out if they would be helpful at all, but isn’t that the grunt work career services is supposed to be doing in the first place?

When I was teaching logic for my undergrad school, I had office hours every week, and when students didn’t need help, I spent a lot of my time practicing logic proofs.  When I was an LSAT instructor I took the time to do practice questions.  I knew that the best way to help teach people and give advice was to be actively doing the task myself.

How many career services people have extensive experience in real life job hunting?  Truth is, if you have a ton of job-hunting experience, it’s probably because you suck at the actual job (why else are you constantly looking for work).

Career services is simply a flawed concept, doomed from the start.  But, it exists to help recruit law students who think it will be of use to them later.  And, unfortunately, the bigger, more expensive and wasteful this department is, the better it works as a recruitment tool.  Too bad we’ve been so suckered by the paper-pushing economy that some people really believe that developing a commitment to finding new programming options is actually doing something.

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Here’s More To Think

Posted in Uncategorized on June 9th, 2010 by bl1y

Jog on over to Blog Talk Radio and listen to the new episode Here’s What to Think with the Philadelphia Lawyer, Dr. Rob and Some Crazy Cat Lady.

No idea how good this episode will be, I’m listening to it right now.  But, they found a guest other than me, so the odds on it sucking are pretty low.

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Here’s What to Listen To

Posted in Uncategorized on June 2nd, 2010 by bl1y

The new episode of Here’s What to Think is up.  I’m pretty sure I’m in this one, but I’m not going to listen to it because I hate listening to myself talk, and really don’t want to hear the retarded shit I say when I’m drunk.

But, the rest of you should give it a listen.

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Here’s What to Anticipate

Posted in Uncategorized on April 13th, 2010 by bl1y

Tomorrow at 8:00pm (eastern) I will be appearing on Here’s What to Think, hosted by PJ (PhilaLawyer.net), Dr. Rob (ShrinkTalk.net) and Some Crazy Cat Lady.  The show will be broadcast live through BlogTalkRadio, and you can listen to a recording later if you’re not able to catch it.

I’ll be talking about the legal industry and PickUp/Seduction culture.

Yeah…That’s right.

Anyways, please listen if you can.  There will be a live chat feature if you want to submit questions, make smarmy comments, or show your support.  And just so none of you are too confused, I’ll be called “Billy” because BL1Y is a bit cumbersome to say.

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Here’s What to Think

Posted in Uncategorized on April 7th, 2010 by bl1y

In case you bozos were not already aware, The Philadelphia Lawyer, Dr. Rob Dobrenski, and Some Crazy Cat Lady are teaming up to launch a new online radio show called Here’s What to Think.

Red Wine Reviews, Baby Hating, Music Snobs, Psychological Indulgence, Film Critiques, Best Bourbon Brands, Cultural Elitism, Lawyers Drugs and Money, Reverse Discrimination, Fancy Book Club, MSM Sucks, New Media Is Irresponsible, Navel Gazing, Jesus Loves You. Just kidding. It’s all of that and none; we just needed terms to help our search results. Listen and make of this what you will.

The pilot episode will air tonight at 8:00pm (Eastern) tonight, so be sure to log on and listen.

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